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Raccoon
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 |  Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon  Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:41 pm | |
| | I just heard about the background behind this story today after researching it. I found it incredibly sad. I feel so sorry for him, and I really want to mail him a letter. It made me feel better though, knowing so many people are pulling for him and are on his side. |
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walking_for_don
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:09 pm | |
| | better watch what ur saying.... there are more stool pigeons about.... patriot act ftw w00t!!! |
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Raccoon
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:38 pm | |
| | True. Haha. |
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:42 pm | |
| | walking_for_don wrote: | | better watch what ur saying.... there are more stool pigeons about.... patriot act ftw w00t!!! |
freedom of speech ... just watch what you say!
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Jozsa
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:17 pm | |
| | The fact that Eric and his organization were trying to commit a crime, vandalism at the very least, is wrong. However, the actions committed by the FBI were equally wrong, if not worse. One can argue that if the government wouldn't have gotten involved then Eric would've never planned out his attacks. The bottom line is that Eric was attempting to commit an act of violence which was heavily influenced by a government informant. It is in my opinion that Eric should be released, even if he truly intended to commit the acts, with or without having met the informant because the government informant made the mistake of presenting the ideas and buying the material. Had "Anna" just followed along and nodded her head, then the government would have every right to lock all of them up. This wasn't the case, and a government worker initiated a crime. If that isn't entrapment, then entrapment doesn't exist. |
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JoshRaymond
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:49 pm | |
| | well said dude well said |
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Jozsa
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:46 pm | |
| | arollo wrote: | | Lurch wrote: | How can one consider action against buildings and machinery to be violence? The goal of both the ELF and the ALF is to stop the suffering of animals and the environment while also taking all possible precautions to not injure human life. The Wikipedia article says that Eric and the others "considered the killing of bystanders to be collateral damage", which is extremely fucked up and not something I condone at all. But really, sabotaging dams and fish hatcheries and cell phone towers as long as no one gets hurt (and as of today no one has been killed from an ELF action) isn't violence in my opinion. Companies that profit from the suffering of animals and the destruction of the Earth are the real terrorists.
Go ahead and label me a "revolutionary" or something.  |
Because it involves force to reach a goal. That's violence.
And blowing up one building does not stop the companies and the ideas behind them and the customers from keeping on. How many fish hatcheries are there? How does blowing one up solve whatever problem fish hatcheries pose? All it does is make you a terrorist, and imply further violence. And yes, when you blow up something to reach a political goal, people do presume the next bomb will be targeted at people. And that's violence too, of a kind.
And that's not revolutionary at all. People have been blowing shit up forever and ever. It's probably the least progressive idea a man can have.
| kylemcdonald wrote: | i'm with you man.
the obliteration of useless human development is complete devotion to the need at hand
i may be considered a revolutionary but shit thats not needed is not shit at all.
and as a pacifist, violence may be needed to create a movement in modern america.
i don't condone violence in anyway but to create a disturbance and any kind of attention you have to create attention and sometimes it takes measures that are out of the ordinary.
we need to change this country at any means necessary |
Why is it that violence and destruction are the only things you can think of when you think of "out of the ordinary"?
If you want to change the world, use your brain and your voice.
Name someone, somewhere who created a lasting change through violence. No, you are not a pacifist. |
I'm against violence, but the American Revolution, War of 1812, The Civil War, WW1, and WW2. I stuck to American conflicts. |
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Mark Narra
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:31 pm | |
| i just read the cross-examination of anna a few days ago. granted, I don't have too much other backround information on the case besides that and the few articles i've read, but i don't understand how a jury was able to convict Eric. in separate instances, both wren and jenson told anna that they thought she was the leader of the group. she was the one who convinced wren to go to cali, she was the one who picked up jenson. it really seems like she was the one actually convinced them to move past their talk and to act.
in that case, it's completely immoral to keep eric in prison. if i was on that jury, i would have fought long and hard to acquit him. and i wouldn't have folded. |
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Jozsa
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:12 pm | |
| | Mark Narra wrote: | i just read the cross-examination of anna a few days ago. granted, I don't have too much other backround information on the case besides that and the few articles i've read, but i don't understand how a jury was able to convict Eric. in separate instances, both wren and jenson told anna that they thought she was the leader of the group. she was the one who convinced wren to go to cali, she was the one who picked up jenson. it really seems like she was the one actually convinced them to move past their talk and to act.
in that case, it's completely immoral to keep eric in prison. if i was on that jury, i would have fought long and hard to acquit him. and i wouldn't have folded. |
I agree. Does anyone know if he hired a good lawyer, or just used the public defender? It sounds as if his attorney did a poor job defending him. |
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AnnaIsAFuckingStoolPigeon
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:01 am | |
| | walking_for_don wrote: | | better watch what ur saying.... there are more stool pigeons about.... patriot act ftw w00t!!! |
Hahahaha, true enough...
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Mark Narra
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:27 am | |
| | Jozsa wrote: | | Mark Narra wrote: | i just read the cross-examination of anna a few days ago. granted, I don't have too much other backround information on the case besides that and the few articles i've read, but i don't understand how a jury was able to convict Eric. in separate instances, both wren and jenson told anna that they thought she was the leader of the group. she was the one who convinced wren to go to cali, she was the one who picked up jenson. it really seems like she was the one actually convinced them to move past their talk and to act.
in that case, it's completely immoral to keep eric in prison. if i was on that jury, i would have fought long and hard to acquit him. and i wouldn't have folded. |
I agree. Does anyone know if he hired a good lawyer, or just used the public defender? It sounds as if his attorney did a poor job defending him. |
his lawyer has represented "ecoterrorists" in the past. he seemed to know what he was talking about. |
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Jozsa
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:53 pm | |
| | Do you know what defense his attorney used? Entrapment? |
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lex
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:51 am | |
| I'm not sure if Mark posted the link but here's the cross examination
http://www.supporteric.org/xofanna.pdf
I haven't read it all yet, it's really long. |
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scarlett
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:39 am | |
| | I read depositions allll day, and that's a long one even by my standards. |
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Mark Narra
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| | Subject: Re: AnnA is a Fucking Stool-Pigeon Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:19 pm | |
| it's a quick, informative read, though. only took me an hour.
the redirect is kinda juicy, too. |
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